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Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

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Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Galox on Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:19 pm

Just vote for who you think would win.

History:
Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus vs. Tyrannosaurus Rex [3-0 to T.Rex]
Ursus Maritimus Tyrannus vs. Allosaurus Fragilis [2-2 draw]
Carcharodontasaurus Saharicus vs. Megatherium Americanum [N/A]

CARCHARODONTOSAURUS
Length: Average 12-13m
Weight:around 6-7 tons





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MEGATHERIUM
Length: Average: 7m
Weight: Average: Usually around 5 tons, with estimates up to 8 tons





Advantages for Carcharodontasaurus:
Larger
Heavier
Large head with shark-like teeth
Almost Certainly faster

Advantages for Megatherium:
Smarter mammalian brain
Long, powerful arms with sharp claws
Thick bones, very tough
More Robust


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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Thobe on Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:23 pm

T-Rex! Rawr!
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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by ghostofillusion on Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:40 pm

I'm with Spiney.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Dino589 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:16 am

So, Allosaurus vs a polar bear? Thats interesting. Well, if it were a particularly large individual of Allosaurus (such as Epanterias and Saurophaganax are supposed to be), then it would probably own the bear. Hmm... Gonna need to think about this.

Oh, and to help you get your facts straightened out:
~Yes, Allosaurus had a good sized head, but it was not proportionately large compared to the body like it is in, say, Giganotosaurus. Its not its size that makes it dangerous, but rather the way in which it functions.
~Allosaurus did not have better eyesight than the bear. Still bearing eyes on the sides of its head (and the crests on its face don't help either), it may have even had a bit of a blind spot directly in front of it, and had very poor depth perception, if any at all. Many mammalian predators, on the other had, have developed eyes that face forward, thus giving them superior vision.
~Allosaurus may have actually been able to beat the bear in a race, though of course speed is something hard to gage on extinct animals.
~The polar bear does not have more useable arms than Allosaurus. They are probably stronger, sure, but usability is something else. Bears and carnosaurs both have different functionality and mechanics of the arms, and Allosaurus actually had very large claws on its hands. The arms on either predator would have been formidable weapons.

Btw my vote would have gone to the Tyrannosaurus in the previous battle.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Thobe on Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:12 am

How did I know Dino would come to this thread and give a huge explanation? Rolling Eyes Laughing
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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by ghostofillusion on Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:15 am

Thobe wrote:How did I know Dino would come to this thread and give a huge explanation? Rolling Eyes Laughing

Maybe that's why? Laughing

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Dino589 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:17 am

Thobe wrote:How did I know Dino would come to this thread and give a huge explanation? Rolling Eyes Laughing
Razz

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Galox on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:39 pm

Dino589 wrote:So, Allosaurus vs a polar bear? Thats interesting. Well, if it were a particularly large individual of Allosaurus (such as Epanterias and Saurophaganax are supposed to be), then it would probably own the bear. Hmm... Gonna need to think about this.

Oh, and to help you get your facts straightened out:
~Yes, Allosaurus had a good sized head, but it was not proportionately large compared to the body like it is in, say, Giganotosaurus. Its not its size that makes it dangerous, but rather the way in which it functions.
I meant, in comparison to the bear, the head is bigger. And, I believe the theory that Allosaurus used its mouth like a "hatchet" to slash at prey, as it's jaws were not extremely powerful like Tyrannosaurus ect.
~Allosaurus did not have better eyesight than the bear. Still bearing eyes on the sides of its head (and the crests on its face don't help either), it may have even had a bit of a blind spot directly in front of it, and had very poor depth perception, if any at all. Many mammalian predators, on the other had, have developed eyes that face forward, thus giving them superior vision.
Ok, fault on my behalf, was basing the eyesight thing on Tyrannosaurus. And I think this bear was supposed to be mostly vegetarian, so I also based eyesight on that. But then again, brain could make a difference to eyesight, and the bear certainly has more of that.
~Allosaurus may have actually been able to beat the bear in a race, though of course speed is something hard to gage on extinct animals.
I really think that a bear would be faster. Something like Gallimimus could, perhaps, be faster than the bear.
~The polar bear does not have more useable arms than Allosaurus. They are probably stronger, sure, but usability is something else. Bears and carnosaurs both have different functionality and mechanics of the arms, and Allosaurus actually had very large claws on its hands. The arms on either predator would have been formidable weapons.
If I remember correctly, the arms of Allosaurus were used for "hanging on", and didn't have the same shoulder joint as Deinonychus and kin, which could both "hang on" AND swivel round it a completely circular motion to slash at prey. A bears forelegs are much bulkier than any Allosaurus's, and, in my opinion, would be much more useful in this situation, where the bear is smaller than the allosaurus when on all fours.

Thanks, though, for your opinions!

EDIT: I personally think the beat has the upper hand. While Allosaurus is larger, mammals are just so more advanced than reptiles.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by ghostofillusion on Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:49 pm

I would type a lot, but the spacebar of this keyboard is VERY glitchy.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Dino589 on Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:18 pm

Galox wrote:
~Yes, Allosaurus had a good sized head, but it was not proportionately large compared to the body like it is in, say, Giganotosaurus. Its not its size that makes it dangerous, but rather the way in which it functions.
I meant, in comparison to the bear, the head is bigger. And, I believe the theory that Allosaurus used its mouth like a "hatchet" to slash at prey, as it's jaws were not extremely powerful like Tyrannosaurus ect.
Yes, the 'hatchet' idea is correct, and yes, its jaws were not very strong. In fact, its jaws were incredibly weak. Allosaurus was a bit of a lightweight animal in general, actually. It probably wasn't too much of a heavy combat fighter, more like go in, deal some damage, and stay out of range.

~Allosaurus did not have better eyesight than the bear. Still bearing eyes on the sides of its head (and the crests on its face don't help either), it may have even had a bit of a blind spot directly in front of it, and had very poor depth perception, if any at all. Many mammalian predators, on the other had, have developed eyes that face forward, thus giving them superior vision.
Ok, fault on my behalf, was basing the eyesight thing on Tyrannosaurus. And I think this bear was supposed to be mostly vegetarian, so I also based eyesight on that. But then again, brain could make a difference to eyesight, and the bear certainly has more of that.
You based it off Tyrannosaurus? Woah, thats a huge mistake right there; the two things were totally different, not even in the same branch of the family tree. But yes, the bear does have the edge there.

~Allosaurus may have actually been able to beat the bear in a race, though of course speed is something hard to gage on extinct animals.
I really think that a bear would be faster. Something like Gallimimus could, perhaps, be faster than the bear.
Was just throwing it out there. As I recall bears are actually pretty fast when they want to be. Allsaurus, though, did not have the build of a runner at all.

~The polar bear does not have more useable arms than Allosaurus. They are probably stronger, sure, but usability is something else. Bears and carnosaurs both have different functionality and mechanics of the arms, and Allosaurus actually had very large claws on its hands. The arms on either predator would have been formidable weapons.
If I remember correctly, the arms of Allosaurus were used for "hanging on", and didn't have the same shoulder joint as Deinonychus and kin, which could both "hang on" AND swivel round it a completely circular motion to slash at prey. A bears forelegs are much bulkier than any Allosaurus's, and, in my opinion, would be much more useful in this situation, where the bear is smaller than the allosaurus when on all fours.
Really? I wouldn't be surprised, though I haven't looked into carnosaur arm mechanics at all. I did say though that the bear's arms were almost certainly stronger, and I reckon a blow from something like that could be pretty lethal.



Right, fair play. I'm looking forward to seeing if we get into any more of these scientific discussions.
As for my vote, I'm going for the bear. Allosaurus was a dangerous predator and could take on most of the other animals of its day, sure, but the bear, though smaller, is more robust and just more advanced in general, and I reckon it would be a match for Allosaurus if not more, so, as much of a dino lover as I am, it actually gets my vote I'd say.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Dino589 on Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:57 pm

So I see we have a new battle on the go. Hmmm.... This is a tough choice. I am quite tempted to say the sloth, which would be able to take more of a beating and dish it out just as good, though there is still a chance the Carchara could get some good blows in there. A little bit of a tough choice.

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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by Thobe on Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:24 pm

I say sloth
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Re: Prehistoria Battles [Carcharodontosaurus vs. Megatherium]

Post by ghostofillusion on Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:39 pm

Huge Sloths are better.

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